- 2007.09.18 Tuesday
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NAの攻略掲示板で5層北のSS付報告があがりました。
「制限をすべて解放した状態のPCが5層北にワープするとPOP」という仮説。
今週何回か追試の予定なのでメモ。
■沸き条件トレース時の留意点：
・1層は周回部屋＋マム4必須
・マムの外側は必須ではないかも？
（条件が確定するまでは念のため1部屋ずつ殲滅する予定）
※もしかすると数ではなくて「全員が解放する」必要があるのかも
・1、3、4層ワープ前扉は「その層での戦闘が終了してから」あけること
・2層扉は手動であけないこと（最初の部屋のマムまで殲滅して自動オープンするのを待つ）
■チェックポイント
・突入時曜日
・各層終了時の解放状況（1層、2層での未解放状況）
・各層所要時間
・ワープした人の解放状況（特に3→4のワープ、4→5のワープ）
・5層到達時の曜日と天候
■POP再現条件確定後、条件絞込みのための試行条件（メモ）
・1層マムを全部やらなくてもPOPするか
・1層周回＋マムだけでPOPするか
・2層殲滅しなくてもPOPするか
・3層北をやってもPOPするか
・4層カエルorマムをやってもPOPするか
・3→4のワープを制限が残った状態の人がとんでもPOPするか
以下はZhayolm: 5F, 6F Poroggo Madames Summary&Infoより関連情報抜粋。
長いのでたたんでおきます。
（9/18 10:00AM現在）
「制限をすべて解放した状態のPCが5層北にワープするとPOP」という仮説。
今週何回か追試の予定なのでメモ。
■沸き条件トレース時の留意点：
・1層は周回部屋＋マム4必須
・マムの外側は必須ではないかも？
（条件が確定するまでは念のため1部屋ずつ殲滅する予定）
※もしかすると数ではなくて「全員が解放する」必要があるのかも
・1、3、4層ワープ前扉は「その層での戦闘が終了してから」あけること
・2層扉は手動であけないこと（最初の部屋のマムまで殲滅して自動オープンするのを待つ）
■チェックポイント
・突入時曜日
・各層終了時の解放状況（1層、2層での未解放状況）
・各層所要時間
・ワープした人の解放状況（特に3→4のワープ、4→5のワープ）
・5層到達時の曜日と天候
■POP再現条件確定後、条件絞込みのための試行条件（メモ）
・1層マムを全部やらなくてもPOPするか
・1層周回＋マムだけでPOPするか
・2層殲滅しなくてもPOPするか
・3層北をやってもPOPするか
・4層カエルorマムをやってもPOPするか
・3→4のワープを制限が残った状態の人がとんでもPOPするか
以下はZhayolm: 5F, 6F Poroggo Madames Summary&Infoより関連情報抜粋。
長いのでたたんでおきます。
（9/18 10:00AM現在）
----
■Case 1----○
同じグループの3人分のPostを要約。
水曜日突入。
1層：
Puk周回＞マム＞Puk部屋1＞さらにPuk1
Ziz周回
ブガ周回＞マム＞ブガ部屋1
ラプ周回＞ラプ＞ラプ部屋1
ラプ（Zizルートのやつ）＞Ziz部屋1 北東からワープ
約20分でワープ
2層：
北東部屋から時計まわりに殲滅
約45分でワープ
3層：
南ルートマムのみ殲滅（扉はやらない）
殲滅完了は60分よりは早かった
2人が全解放 他4人もほぼ全部解放
約63分で北からワープ
4層：（どの扉を倒せばいいかわからなくて2分待った）
水曜日突入だったが風曜日に変わっていた
マムはインビジでスルーして2nd Rampart
来訪なし
扉を倒してからドアをあけて赤（全解放）がワープ
ワープ時の天候は土。
5層：
マダムｋｔｋｒ！
※注意
１、３、４層のワープ前扉は、その層での戦闘が終了してから開けた
Uzor Post subject: Re: Zhayolm: 5F, 6F Poroggo Madames Summary&InfoPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 6:17 pm
CoP Dynamis
Joined: Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:29 pm
Posts: 294
The plan was to verify one or the other. I decided to try out the "fully unlocked" thing.
First floor: killed all of the inner rooms, and 1 room in each wing. Killed all 4 Mamools
Second floor: Cleared all rooms
Third floor: Cleared all of south, but skipped Rampart
Fourth floor: Killed Second Rampart, didn't kill Mamools, nor Poroggos. Didn't spawn a Marid
Fifth floor: Madame were up when we first entered the floor at 1 hour mark.
Two were fully unlocked, our main MNK (Isomiau), and the RDM (Pchan). RDM were also the one that zoned us down to 5th floor.
mdkuser Post subject: Re: Zhayolm: 5F, 6F Poroggo Madames Summary&InfoPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:30 am
Melee SMN
Joined: Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:46 am
Posts: 19 I was the one to get Freyr's legs in Uzor's run, and I'm 3/3 yes! Sadly it's the first 35 skadi peice we see over 8 month...lol. Well it's the best one so i'm still happy Other than that we are crawling under skadi boss drops lol, got like 15 body and 10 head >.>;
im 1/3 head (25) 2/2 body and hand, 3/3 leg, 1/3 feet (15 part), and I'm the only skadi person >.>
Details of the run:
1F: killed center puk room, mamool, another puk room+ 1 extra puk from 3rd.
killed center ziz room (our drk died to a crazy ziz here if it matters).
killed center bugard room, mamool, then other bugard room.
killed center raptor room, mamool, then other raptor room.
backtrack to Ziz wing, kill mamool, then 1 ziz room. port up (NE).
time: dunno, maybe 20 ish minutes.
2F: wiped every room, starting from NE, going clockwise, didnt open doors manually. Warp up 40-45 ish (?)
3F: killed all mamoolja south path, didn't touch rampart nor madamme. We killed the last mamool right before 60min mark. 2 people were fully unlocked ( yes including HP/MP/SJ/ABI/MAGIC, all stats and all armors even ranged), and many were close to fully unlocked (was missing 1 myself). Port up North on 4F at about 63mn since noone waited at tele.
4F: Waited for 2mn for uzor to find his notes to know which rampart to kill lol. Entered late water, it was wind day. Invisible past the mamools and kill 2nd rampart, no marid. Open door and warp ( yes he didn't open door before rampart was dead).
5F: madamme up. \(^_^)/
6F: meh people weren't concentrated after this epic drop so didn't have time to clear 6F: with I think 15 left? started by killing 2 rampart+ 1 manticore, no pop. Then sacced the chariot, no pop. Then kill random gears, not pop. lol.
The RDM was fully unlocked and is always the one that open doors and warps us up.
pchan Post subject: Re: Zhayolm: 5F, 6F Poroggo Madames Summary&InfoPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:57 am
I am in uzor's group. I ported up fully unlocked and 5FN madame was up, I didn't initiate the salvage run and was not alliance or party leader. I didn't warp the group on 2F but did it on 1F 3F 4F. So this leaves "a certain amount of ppl unlocked" as a likely condition.
3 things I'd like to add :
- We opened all doors after mobs were killed on 1F 3F and 4F, ie I opened the door to tele *after* the rampard died.
- I don't think it matters but earth weather was up on 5F entry.
- You can have 0 range cells on 2F and first chest -.- This happened twice to us on boss runs and it sucks. So unlocking one person is based on luck.
Uzor Post subject: Re: Zhayolm: 5F, 6F Poroggo Madames Summary&InfoPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:43 pm
■Case 2----○
土曜日突入 6人
1層：
周回部屋＋マム4＋ブガ3＋Ziz1（6つ目の魔法とサポのため）
21:20ワープ
2層：
北東殲滅＞ドアを自動オープンして他の部屋も殲滅
遠隔2のみ不足
NMやらず
54:00ワープ
3層：
南ルート殲滅（扉以外）
6人ともステ全解放
74分ワープ
4層北：
1st Rampartのみ（マダムは沸いてなかった）
76分でワープ（全解放していた自分がワープ）
5層北：
マダムPOP。扉はノンアク。
いくつかミスがあったので倒せず。
全員魅了されたらヤツは回復するぞ！
（つまり全員で大合唱をくらって時間切れしたのでしょう……）
tymora Post subject: Re: Zhayolm: 5F, 6F Poroggo Madames Summary&InfoPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:20 am
Puppetmaster
Joined: Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:09 am
Posts: 59 Entering Earthsday ~2:40 (WAR/NIN DRK/SAM THF/NIN BLM/WHM WHM/BLM RDM/WHM)
1F:
All middle rooms clear, 4 Mamool NINs dead
Cleared 3 extra bugards + Ziz for 6th magic/SJ
Port@21:20
2F:
Doors opened automatically.
-> 2 people missing ranged (4/6 fully unlocked equips)
All rooms clear including 4 mamool, no popped NM
Port@54:00
3F:
Cleared South Route completely, skipped rampart.
All 6 people cleared stats
Port@~74
4FN:
Kill First Rampart only, Madame not up
Port@~76 (by me, fully unlocked)
5FN:
Madame up (Time appears not to be an issue :p)
(Can be slept)
Ramparts didn't aggro to anything.
-> Did several mistakes here so didn't kill it.
Don't get everyone charmed. It will just regen.
■Case 3---×
1層：周回部屋・マム4・Zizのみ追加1部屋
2層：殲滅（遠隔2個しか出なかったので詩と狩人に渡しちゃった）
3層：西ルート小部屋3殲滅＞東ルート殲滅＋北マダム
4層：マム＆カエル殲滅＋4thRampart
5層：遠隔だけ未解放の状態の人がワープ＞マダム無し
Avinor Post subject: Re: Zhayolm: 5F, 6F Poroggo Madames Summary&InfoPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 10:59 pm
ErinTribal
Joined: Sun Apr 09, 2006 6:45 pm
Posts: 158
Location: San Diego
Server: Titan Just did a run for a pair of 15 morrigan hands:
1st: All middle rooms, all mamool, 1 extra ziz room
2nd: Cleared floor - only 2 ranged drop and I instinctively gave to the bard and ranger, figuring we'd get another
3rd: First 3 small rooms south, everything north + madame
4th: All mamool, 4th rampart, all frogs trying to get an undulatus cell
5th: Ported, lacking on a ranged cell for fully unlocked - no madame.
■Case 4----×
1層：Puk周回＋マム＞Ziz周回＋マム＞ラプ周回＋マム＞ラプもう1＞ブガ周回＋マム＞ブガ2
一人サポ解放なし
13:40
2層：殲滅したけど指が1つのみ（注：1体のみ＝2個ドロップと後から追記あり）
38:40
3層：南殲滅 ステ類は全員解除
50:40
4層：マム6＋2nd Rampart（来訪あり・倒す）
64:01
5層：マダムいない。
aurik Post subject: Re: Zhayolm: 5F, 6F Poroggo Madames Summary&InfoPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:35 am
shut the fk up!
Joined: Wed May 04, 2005 2:51 am
Posts: 7475
Location: Atomos
Server: Asura Completed another run, another no-show by the Madame.
Entered early on Windsday.
Floor 1: inner room + mamool x3, then 1 extra raptor (for opacus), inner room + mamoll + 2 bugards -- didn't get last subjob cell. 13:40
Floor 2: Full clear NE NW SW SE, only 1 ring drop. 38:40
Floor 3: Full south clear, everyone fully unlocked cells. 50:40
Floor 4: 6 Mamool, 2nd Rampart, Marid. 64:01
No pop. Ported up to 6 and caged out.
■Case 5-----×
氷曜日突入
1層：周回部屋殲滅＞マム4殲滅
最後のマムが倒れる前に北東ワープ扉をあけた 約15分
2層：全殲滅 カードはやってない ドアは手動であけてない 約35分
3層：南ルートマム＋ペット殲滅 扉（とマダム）は触らない
北からワープ 約45分
4層：マム6殲滅＞ドアオープン＞3rd Rampart＋Marid 約59分
5層：マダムいない ワープ前ドアをあけたが沸かない 約64分
6層：殲滅したが沸かない 78分
aurik Post subject: Re: Zhayolm: 5F, 6F Poroggo Madames Summary&InfoPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:16 am
shut the fk up!
Joined: Wed May 04, 2005 2:51 am
Posts: 7479
Location: Atomos
Server: Asura Attempted to reproduce this. Failed.
Here's what we did:
Entered late on Iceday, 77%~ Waxing moon
1F) 4 inner rooms, then 4 MMJ. Opened door before the last Mamool died.
Port @ ~15
2F) NE NW SW SE full clear. Did NOT pop the card NM. Did not open any doors manually
Port @ 35
3F) All south mamools + pets. Did NOT touch rampart or madame. Opened door last.
Port North @ 45
4F) All 6 mamools, opened door, 3rd rampart, Marid.
Port @ 59
5F) No frog, trained the floor, still no frog after opening the door
Port @ ~64
6F) Cleared the floor entirely, no frog
Port @ ~78
■Case 6----×
※2人のPOSTですが登場人物（リーダー）の名前が一致するので、おそらく同じケースのことをいっていると思われます。
同じようにやってみて全解放の人（Run Leader＝最初に突入処理をした人？でもある）がワープしたが沸かなかった。彼は１、２層のワープも動かしたが3→4のワープだけは別の人が動かした。
3層南ルートのマムは殲滅したが4層のあたり扉（4th）以外の扉は触っていない。
全解放されていたのは2人は確実、もしかしたら3-4人かも
（ここからはワープを担当した人のPost要約）
闇曜日突入
1層：周回部屋＋マム4＋Ziz2匹
2層：殲滅
3層：南マムのみ殲滅。戦闘中にシーフが北ワープに向かい殲滅後ワープ
※この層で自分は全解放
4層：マム＋4th Rampart＋マーリド殲滅
5層：マダム無し。終了時の残り時間20分ぐらい。
全解放は2人。
archibaldcrane Post subject: Re: Zhayolm: 5F, 6F Poroggo Madames Summary&InfoPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:42 am
Cerberus
Joined: Mon Sep 04, 2006 6:48 pm
Posts: 782
Location: Hollywood, CA
Server: Asura Just did a run, similar to others posted. Lordwafik warped us to floor 5N while fully unlocked (no pathos). No pop. There's more to it than just simply "person who warps to floor 5N has to be pathos free". Lordwafik was also the run leader (entered first). He was the person to warp up to floors 2 and 3, but not to floor 4. Killed all south path mamools, didn't touch any ramparts except for 4th floor (4th rampart).
-How many people total were fully unlocked including him?
-2 for sure, may have been 3-4.
Lordwafik Post subject: Re: Zhayolm: 5F, 6F Poroggo Madames Summary&InfoPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:01 am
Just did a run. I came as RDM with my AU time salvage group as that'd be more useful cell hogging than my other jobs.
First floor - 4 rooms and 4 mamools, aswell as 2 extra Ziz for magic (only 1 dropped magic) - I ported us up
Second floor - full clear except for card NM - I ported us up
Third floor - Cleared all of South wing mamools, didn't touch a single one in the north. Had the thief flee opposide way as we were killing, he ported us up.
*Note, this floor is when I was fully unlocked*
Fourth Floor - Killed mamools and fourth rampart & marid (we entered darksday) - I ported us up.
Fifth floor - it doesn't boil - there were 20 mins left on the run after killing
I and another were fully unlocked. I was the person who initiated the salvage run too.
■Case 7----×
前回沸いたときとまったく同じにやったのにダメだった。
最初の成功したケースと同じ土天候でワープ
違いは入った曜日（沸いたとき水、今回土＞4層で倒した扉の番号が違う）。
※2日前のSuccessful runがどれだか不明。Case 1が土天候だったらしいのでそれかも？
Almalexia Post subject: Re: Zhayolm: 5F, 6F Poroggo Madames Summary&InfoPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:41 pm
Wise Gear
Joined: Thu Oct 19, 2006 4:41 am
Posts: 429
Server: Sylph Last night, while attempting to reproduce the original successful run, earth weather struck as we zoned into the 5th floor.
5FN was not up. The only difference from the successful run two nights ago was the game day (Earthsday instead of Windsday) therefore the First Rampart was killed instead of the Second, and this ominous earth weather. Day of the week is seemingly irrelevant, but what of weather? Could something as semi-predictable as weather behave like a Mad Bomber-esque blockade for this Madame and possibly others?
Fuck this red motherfucking frog bitch-goddess.
■Case 1----○
同じグループの3人分のPostを要約。
水曜日突入。
1層：
Puk周回＞マム＞Puk部屋1＞さらにPuk1
Ziz周回
ブガ周回＞マム＞ブガ部屋1
ラプ周回＞ラプ＞ラプ部屋1
ラプ（Zizルートのやつ）＞Ziz部屋1 北東からワープ
約20分でワープ
2層：
北東部屋から時計まわりに殲滅
約45分でワープ
3層：
南ルートマムのみ殲滅（扉はやらない）
殲滅完了は60分よりは早かった
2人が全解放 他4人もほぼ全部解放
約63分で北からワープ
4層：（どの扉を倒せばいいかわからなくて2分待った）
水曜日突入だったが風曜日に変わっていた
マムはインビジでスルーして2nd Rampart
来訪なし
扉を倒してからドアをあけて赤（全解放）がワープ
ワープ時の天候は土。
5層：
マダムｋｔｋｒ！
※注意
１、３、４層のワープ前扉は、その層での戦闘が終了してから開けた
Uzor Post subject: Re: Zhayolm: 5F, 6F Poroggo Madames Summary&InfoPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 6:17 pm
CoP Dynamis
Joined: Thu Aug 25, 2005 12:29 pm
Posts: 294
The plan was to verify one or the other. I decided to try out the "fully unlocked" thing.
First floor: killed all of the inner rooms, and 1 room in each wing. Killed all 4 Mamools
Second floor: Cleared all rooms
Third floor: Cleared all of south, but skipped Rampart
Fourth floor: Killed Second Rampart, didn't kill Mamools, nor Poroggos. Didn't spawn a Marid
Fifth floor: Madame were up when we first entered the floor at 1 hour mark.
Two were fully unlocked, our main MNK (Isomiau), and the RDM (Pchan). RDM were also the one that zoned us down to 5th floor.
mdkuser Post subject: Re: Zhayolm: 5F, 6F Poroggo Madames Summary&InfoPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 2:30 am
Melee SMN
Joined: Mon Jun 11, 2007 4:46 am
Posts: 19 I was the one to get Freyr's legs in Uzor's run, and I'm 3/3 yes! Sadly it's the first 35 skadi peice we see over 8 month...lol. Well it's the best one so i'm still happy Other than that we are crawling under skadi boss drops lol, got like 15 body and 10 head >.>;
im 1/3 head (25) 2/2 body and hand, 3/3 leg, 1/3 feet (15 part), and I'm the only skadi person >.>
Details of the run:
1F: killed center puk room, mamool, another puk room+ 1 extra puk from 3rd.
killed center ziz room (our drk died to a crazy ziz here if it matters).
killed center bugard room, mamool, then other bugard room.
killed center raptor room, mamool, then other raptor room.
backtrack to Ziz wing, kill mamool, then 1 ziz room. port up (NE).
time: dunno, maybe 20 ish minutes.
2F: wiped every room, starting from NE, going clockwise, didnt open doors manually. Warp up 40-45 ish (?)
3F: killed all mamoolja south path, didn't touch rampart nor madamme. We killed the last mamool right before 60min mark. 2 people were fully unlocked ( yes including HP/MP/SJ/ABI/MAGIC, all stats and all armors even ranged), and many were close to fully unlocked (was missing 1 myself). Port up North on 4F at about 63mn since noone waited at tele.
4F: Waited for 2mn for uzor to find his notes to know which rampart to kill lol. Entered late water, it was wind day. Invisible past the mamools and kill 2nd rampart, no marid. Open door and warp ( yes he didn't open door before rampart was dead).
5F: madamme up. \(^_^)/
6F: meh people weren't concentrated after this epic drop so didn't have time to clear 6F: with I think 15 left? started by killing 2 rampart+ 1 manticore, no pop. Then sacced the chariot, no pop. Then kill random gears, not pop. lol.
The RDM was fully unlocked and is always the one that open doors and warps us up.
pchan Post subject: Re: Zhayolm: 5F, 6F Poroggo Madames Summary&InfoPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:57 am
I am in uzor's group. I ported up fully unlocked and 5FN madame was up, I didn't initiate the salvage run and was not alliance or party leader. I didn't warp the group on 2F but did it on 1F 3F 4F. So this leaves "a certain amount of ppl unlocked" as a likely condition.
3 things I'd like to add :
- We opened all doors after mobs were killed on 1F 3F and 4F, ie I opened the door to tele *after* the rampard died.
- I don't think it matters but earth weather was up on 5F entry.
- You can have 0 range cells on 2F and first chest -.- This happened twice to us on boss runs and it sucks. So unlocking one person is based on luck.
Uzor Post subject: Re: Zhayolm: 5F, 6F Poroggo Madames Summary&InfoPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:43 pm
■Case 2----○
土曜日突入 6人
1層：
周回部屋＋マム4＋ブガ3＋Ziz1（6つ目の魔法とサポのため）
21:20ワープ
2層：
北東殲滅＞ドアを自動オープンして他の部屋も殲滅
遠隔2のみ不足
NMやらず
54:00ワープ
3層：
南ルート殲滅（扉以外）
6人ともステ全解放
74分ワープ
4層北：
1st Rampartのみ（マダムは沸いてなかった）
76分でワープ（全解放していた自分がワープ）
5層北：
マダムPOP。扉はノンアク。
いくつかミスがあったので倒せず。
全員魅了されたらヤツは回復するぞ！
（つまり全員で大合唱をくらって時間切れしたのでしょう……）
tymora Post subject: Re: Zhayolm: 5F, 6F Poroggo Madames Summary&InfoPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 12:20 am
Puppetmaster
Joined: Thu Mar 09, 2006 5:09 am
Posts: 59 Entering Earthsday ~2:40 (WAR/NIN DRK/SAM THF/NIN BLM/WHM WHM/BLM RDM/WHM)
1F:
All middle rooms clear, 4 Mamool NINs dead
Cleared 3 extra bugards + Ziz for 6th magic/SJ
Port@21:20
2F:
Doors opened automatically.
-> 2 people missing ranged (4/6 fully unlocked equips)
All rooms clear including 4 mamool, no popped NM
Port@54:00
3F:
Cleared South Route completely, skipped rampart.
All 6 people cleared stats
Port@~74
4FN:
Kill First Rampart only, Madame not up
Port@~76 (by me, fully unlocked)
5FN:
Madame up (Time appears not to be an issue :p)
(Can be slept)
Ramparts didn't aggro to anything.
-> Did several mistakes here so didn't kill it.
Don't get everyone charmed. It will just regen.
■Case 3---×
1層：周回部屋・マム4・Zizのみ追加1部屋
2層：殲滅（遠隔2個しか出なかったので詩と狩人に渡しちゃった）
3層：西ルート小部屋3殲滅＞東ルート殲滅＋北マダム
4層：マム＆カエル殲滅＋4thRampart
5層：遠隔だけ未解放の状態の人がワープ＞マダム無し
Avinor Post subject: Re: Zhayolm: 5F, 6F Poroggo Madames Summary&InfoPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 10:59 pm
ErinTribal
Joined: Sun Apr 09, 2006 6:45 pm
Posts: 158
Location: San Diego
Server: Titan Just did a run for a pair of 15 morrigan hands:
1st: All middle rooms, all mamool, 1 extra ziz room
2nd: Cleared floor - only 2 ranged drop and I instinctively gave to the bard and ranger, figuring we'd get another
3rd: First 3 small rooms south, everything north + madame
4th: All mamool, 4th rampart, all frogs trying to get an undulatus cell
5th: Ported, lacking on a ranged cell for fully unlocked - no madame.
■Case 4----×
1層：Puk周回＋マム＞Ziz周回＋マム＞ラプ周回＋マム＞ラプもう1＞ブガ周回＋マム＞ブガ2
一人サポ解放なし
13:40
2層：殲滅したけど指が1つのみ（注：1体のみ＝2個ドロップと後から追記あり）
38:40
3層：南殲滅 ステ類は全員解除
50:40
4層：マム6＋2nd Rampart（来訪あり・倒す）
64:01
5層：マダムいない。
aurik Post subject: Re: Zhayolm: 5F, 6F Poroggo Madames Summary&InfoPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 1:35 am
shut the fk up!
Joined: Wed May 04, 2005 2:51 am
Posts: 7475
Location: Atomos
Server: Asura Completed another run, another no-show by the Madame.
Entered early on Windsday.
Floor 1: inner room + mamool x3, then 1 extra raptor (for opacus), inner room + mamoll + 2 bugards -- didn't get last subjob cell. 13:40
Floor 2: Full clear NE NW SW SE, only 1 ring drop. 38:40
Floor 3: Full south clear, everyone fully unlocked cells. 50:40
Floor 4: 6 Mamool, 2nd Rampart, Marid. 64:01
No pop. Ported up to 6 and caged out.
■Case 5-----×
氷曜日突入
1層：周回部屋殲滅＞マム4殲滅
最後のマムが倒れる前に北東ワープ扉をあけた 約15分
2層：全殲滅 カードはやってない ドアは手動であけてない 約35分
3層：南ルートマム＋ペット殲滅 扉（とマダム）は触らない
北からワープ 約45分
4層：マム6殲滅＞ドアオープン＞3rd Rampart＋Marid 約59分
5層：マダムいない ワープ前ドアをあけたが沸かない 約64分
6層：殲滅したが沸かない 78分
aurik Post subject: Re: Zhayolm: 5F, 6F Poroggo Madames Summary&InfoPosted: Sun Sep 16, 2007 4:16 am
shut the fk up!
Joined: Wed May 04, 2005 2:51 am
Posts: 7479
Location: Atomos
Server: Asura Attempted to reproduce this. Failed.
Here's what we did:
Entered late on Iceday, 77%~ Waxing moon
1F) 4 inner rooms, then 4 MMJ. Opened door before the last Mamool died.
Port @ ~15
2F) NE NW SW SE full clear. Did NOT pop the card NM. Did not open any doors manually
Port @ 35
3F) All south mamools + pets. Did NOT touch rampart or madame. Opened door last.
Port North @ 45
4F) All 6 mamools, opened door, 3rd rampart, Marid.
Port @ 59
5F) No frog, trained the floor, still no frog after opening the door
Port @ ~64
6F) Cleared the floor entirely, no frog
Port @ ~78
■Case 6----×
※2人のPOSTですが登場人物（リーダー）の名前が一致するので、おそらく同じケースのことをいっていると思われます。
同じようにやってみて全解放の人（Run Leader＝最初に突入処理をした人？でもある）がワープしたが沸かなかった。彼は１、２層のワープも動かしたが3→4のワープだけは別の人が動かした。
3層南ルートのマムは殲滅したが4層のあたり扉（4th）以外の扉は触っていない。
全解放されていたのは2人は確実、もしかしたら3-4人かも
（ここからはワープを担当した人のPost要約）
闇曜日突入
1層：周回部屋＋マム4＋Ziz2匹
2層：殲滅
3層：南マムのみ殲滅。戦闘中にシーフが北ワープに向かい殲滅後ワープ
※この層で自分は全解放
4層：マム＋4th Rampart＋マーリド殲滅
5層：マダム無し。終了時の残り時間20分ぐらい。
全解放は2人。
archibaldcrane Post subject: Re: Zhayolm: 5F, 6F Poroggo Madames Summary&InfoPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 5:42 am
Cerberus
Joined: Mon Sep 04, 2006 6:48 pm
Posts: 782
Location: Hollywood, CA
Server: Asura Just did a run, similar to others posted. Lordwafik warped us to floor 5N while fully unlocked (no pathos). No pop. There's more to it than just simply "person who warps to floor 5N has to be pathos free". Lordwafik was also the run leader (entered first). He was the person to warp up to floors 2 and 3, but not to floor 4. Killed all south path mamools, didn't touch any ramparts except for 4th floor (4th rampart).
-How many people total were fully unlocked including him?
-2 for sure, may have been 3-4.
Lordwafik Post subject: Re: Zhayolm: 5F, 6F Poroggo Madames Summary&InfoPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:01 am
Just did a run. I came as RDM with my AU time salvage group as that'd be more useful cell hogging than my other jobs.
First floor - 4 rooms and 4 mamools, aswell as 2 extra Ziz for magic (only 1 dropped magic) - I ported us up
Second floor - full clear except for card NM - I ported us up
Third floor - Cleared all of South wing mamools, didn't touch a single one in the north. Had the thief flee opposide way as we were killing, he ported us up.
*Note, this floor is when I was fully unlocked*
Fourth Floor - Killed mamools and fourth rampart & marid (we entered darksday) - I ported us up.
Fifth floor - it doesn't boil - there were 20 mins left on the run after killing
I and another were fully unlocked. I was the person who initiated the salvage run too.
■Case 7----×
前回沸いたときとまったく同じにやったのにダメだった。
最初の成功したケースと同じ土天候でワープ
違いは入った曜日（沸いたとき水、今回土＞4層で倒した扉の番号が違う）。
※2日前のSuccessful runがどれだか不明。Case 1が土天候だったらしいのでそれかも？
Almalexia Post subject: Re: Zhayolm: 5F, 6F Poroggo Madames Summary&InfoPosted: Mon Sep 17, 2007 6:41 pm
Wise Gear
Joined: Thu Oct 19, 2006 4:41 am
Posts: 429
Server: Sylph Last night, while attempting to reproduce the original successful run, earth weather struck as we zoned into the 5th floor.
5FN was not up. The only difference from the successful run two nights ago was the game day (Earthsday instead of Windsday) therefore the First Rampart was killed instead of the Second, and this ominous earth weather. Day of the week is seemingly irrelevant, but what of weather? Could something as semi-predictable as weather behave like a Mad Bomber-esque blockade for this Madame and possibly others?
Fuck this red motherfucking frog bitch-goddess.
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